He uttered these words in frustration when he saw the Mercedes car of Michael Schumacher parked on the side. But, with all due respect, the Silver Arrows and its German Ace were not exactly competitive. Michael Schumacher had turned back the clock in Shanghai; He topped one of the practice sessions on Friday. Mercedes were, uncharacteristically, the front-runners during that race weekend. At the start, the two of them had a clean getaway into turn 1. They were cruising nicely with Rosberg leading the race and Schumacher in P2.
The former Ferrari driver was on course to record his first podium finish since his return to F1 in and his last one in One day his records will be talked about and elevate him to the list of "Great racers" for sure!
The irony is that if MS were killed on track in a forthcoming race Posted 20 March - "who would bag the pole, I'd put my money on Mika. Give both a perfect handling Mclaren and that might be a different story.
Mika might be marginally quicker Hence why I disagree with the statement "raw talent". Posted 20 March - RB, true, I was making the assumptions they would have a top car. Yes, Mika's style requires a well balanced car.
Posted 20 March - rb;.. Posted 20 March - ok then, wasn't that his first full season.?? That makes my statement all the more valid, since their would have been tracks that he had never seen before handing Martin a obvious advantage knowledge of track thanks magic for correcting and strengthening my argument.
Posted 20 March - What exactly did he say that we didn't already know. I read this advertising and it was supposed to be soooooo controversial etc. All I can say is dUh. But since Mike is in a super Ferrari, he's making Mika and the rest look stupid and none of Shumi's fans would take that kind of argument seriously, actually, they'd feel insulted by it so I just stay off the subject.
Posted 20 March - Originally posted by Juan I lost heaps of respect for brundle after reading that article in F1 racing. Hey, the man was asked for his opinion and he gave it. Get over it. That makes my statement all the more valid, since their would have been tracks that he had never seen before handing Martin a obvious advantage knowledge of track after been rammed onto a kerb by his teammate martin knew enough. Posted 20 March - mB rates MH as better qualifier and season proves him wrong RS last year was in his 4th year for example.
Compare RS' 97 season to Posted 20 March - , Martin only said that Senna was the best he'd ever seen, not that he was the greatest in history. It would be impossible for Martin or anybody else to compare Senna to Nuvolari, Fangio, Clark and others with total accuracy. I think it's difficult if not impossible to make a 'talent' judgement. Talent is not a measurable, so of course Martin is using subjective opinion.
However, I can see his point, and he backs it up with solid reasoning, which is fair enough in my view. The fact that Martin says it doesn't make it fact. Niki Lauda or Alain Prost or Senna himself might have a different take. The difference is that they would all be arguing from a basis of technical insight which none of us could possibly have. At the beginning of the extended article, he clearly states that it has been his job to analyse and interview MS and MH over the past four years.
Obviously his conclusions are based on what he has seen recently, as well as his experiences while driving alongside the two. And, although he's no longer driving, his position as commentator, ex-driver, acquaintance of the drivers and journalist allows him access to information that we simply do not have.
He clearly has the knowledge and analytical ability, even now that he is no longer driving, to make far deeper and more meaningful comparisons than we can. That alone makes Martin's article extremely valuable and insightful. Your point I assume is that because Schumacher put the Ferrari on pole more times than Hakkinen put the McLaren on pole in that makes him a better qualifyer? By that assumption does the fact that Mansell scored more poles than Senna in 92 make him a better qualifyer than Senna.
The general consensus was in the Ferrari was a better car in Qualifying trim while the Mclaren was better usually over a race distance. BTW the general consensus within this thread is Brundle is a wanker for want of a better word. Having read the complete article I can't see what he has stated that has so many of you particularly the Schumi fans upset.
In essence he basically states that as a complete package Schumacher is rivalled only by the late Ayrton Senna and we all know that Senna often occupies the top spot in many people's minds by de-fault due to a misplaced sense of respect because of his untimely death.
So what's so bad about that? Take Senna along with the accompanying emotional baggage out of the equation and Schumacher sits atop the pile of the modern generation of drivers.
Hakkinen is just behind him as the only one who can consistantly challenge Schumacher over a whole season, sounds about right to me. And that as I interpreted it was the general theme behind Brundle's article. Posted 21 March - Originally posted by magic after been rammed onto a kerb by his teammate martin knew enough. Hmmh looks llike Macs were the better team:stoned:.
Bad move from Schhumacher. Thanks for the lesson Ayrton. Later on it was revealed, that his engine stalled due to overheat in the car, which caused a hydraulics problem in the clutch. Furthermore, it seems that the Ferrari crew are at fault here, having attended Schumacher's car too late when the first start was aborted. Mika Hakkinen, whose McLaren mechanics were quick to push dry ice into his car's sidepods, said: "I wondered where Michael's mechanics were because they seemed slow and the cars get really hot out there.
You can feel the heat off the engine in the cockpit. So where did he blow it under pressure? How about big pressure in Monza , or Suzuka ? Schumacher proves magic wrong. Posted 21 March - OK Posted 21 March - Actually it was Senna's fault.
Schuey approaching that corner saw the "Ghost of Senna" standing at the entry of that bend Schuey then swerved to try and avoid him, unfortunately Jax was already along side him Senna spooked Schuey for sure! Posted 21 March - I interpreted it as MH would be slightly faster on an empty track, but MS is more ruthless and would therefore win a race with other cars involved.
You have to consider the source though. We're not talking about the most objective person where MS is concerned. Even as a non-MS fan, I don't buy the first half of that sentence.
I blame Senna for making it ok. Posted 21 March - I brought up this piece by Brundle on the thread about Johnny Herbert discussing Mika and Michael as teamates and drivers a few weeks ago. That particular thread, even though it was about Mika and Michael, denigrated into the usual Michael vs Jacques!
I have no problems with what Brundle has to say on the subject. I think he's actually in position to have an opinion. He gives a satistying, detailed analysis of their different cornering styles.
Posted 21 March - quote: Originally posted by magic after been rammed onto a kerb by his teammate martin knew enough. Nope, MS is the quickest and the best overall driver today. What about , , Mika's pole-years???
He had much faster car for both qualifying and the race. Posted 21 March - Okey, this is a little bit of the topic but while congratulating AtlasF1 for their birthday there was a link to the first issue of AtlasF1 evere. There was this nice article Posted 21 March - Here are actually some interesting comparisons between the two from the same article. I have edited it a little bit just to make it easier to read. Back to Racing Comments Archive. Reply to quoted posts Clear.
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